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Old 01/25/2010, 6:02 PM
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Leno has like 800 million, but yet he still comes back, and does 160 stand up shows a year. Show business is complicated.

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Old 01/25/2010, 5:54 PM
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Perhaps we come from different circumstances, but if someone paid me $40 million to leave my job, I'd be fine with it.

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Ironic how it was Conan's lack of cynicism that cost him his job. If he had been more cynical, he would have gotten a better contract with NBC, like the one Leno had. One of the reasons why NBC decided to move Leno back rather than cancel him was because it would have cost them $150 million to get rid of him. I guess Conan forgot about NBC's lack of faith in him when they gave him Late Night when they only gave him 13 week contracts so they could get rid of him fast if he didn't meet their expectations.

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Last night as many of you know was Conan's swan song on NBC, and it was truly a moment to remember. Even with the clip moments, Steve Carell exit interviewing and shredding Conan's pass to the lot, and Will Ferrell's tribute to Conan with the song Free Bird, the best moment had to be his closing speech. He went out classy. When he could have ignored NBC or slammed them like he deserved to, he chose to thank them for everything they had done for him. The best part of it had to be when he choked up thinking about the creativity and support his fans had given him. It just showed how he truly appreciates the love that his fans showed to him. It was so interesting to see him express his hatred towards cynisism on such a personal level. I know I will try not to be so cynical of any of the goals I wish to achieve in the future.

With all the fan support he has gained, and the whole world now knowing how great of a person he is, I have no doubt that he will be back on television as soon as possible. Before the end of the year, The Conan O'Brien Show will be a reality.

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Here is a brilliant segment done by Jimmy Kimmel Live! that tells the story of the Late Night War in the way of a Ken Burns documentary.

Jimmy has kind of been a small player in this, but what he has done in the way of comedy for this whole Late Night stuff has been brilliant. I think Jimmy is now my favourite Late Night guy. I might even consider finding room for his when and if Conan returns.

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God it was so hard to believe Conan said tonight that tomorrow was going to be his last Tonight Show. One because he used both tomorrow and tonight in the same sentence, and two because who could have ever seen this coming true as an actuality up until 2 weeks ago? I mean who would have thought that this early into it we would have heard Conan say the final Tonight Show? I know people like Will Ferrell and others joked that he wasn't going to go far on the show, and I think we all knew that Jay breathing down Conan's neck at 10:00 was bad, but I never thought that NBC would go to the steps of getting rid of Conan, to bring Jay back to the Tonight Show.

In a release by NBC's The Office twitter account it says that Steve Carell is going to be a guest on the final show tomorrow, and since he was not mentioned as a guest, that means that he must be tomorrow nights special guest among what could be many.

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I'm surprised you used the word kind of. I know, but I can't stop talking about this. I mean, after almost 2 weeks, this should be getting old, but with the constent new jokes being flown around by everyone it's still great.

But about last night stuff. Jay made a joke about Jeff Zucker burning down NBC for the insurance money, but when he said it I thought it sounded kind of familiar. Then I realized that Steven Colbert told the same joke the night before. It's jokes like that that give him branding of a hack.

Conan was great last night. From his parody of Jay's "final" Tonight Show where he brought out all the hamsters born during his Tonight Show run, to the Bugatti Veyron Mouse, which since it was screwing NBC was funny. That last show is going to be one of the best shows in television history.

Also, with all the flack we've been giving Jeff Zucker, we should also give it to Dick Ebersol, because he's proving that he is as much of an asshole as Zucker.

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God I am really going to miss this when it's gone. Another great night all around of the Late Night Wars. This is the most fun I have had watching television ever. As Dave said "I'm really enjoying it. It's just fun". I really want to see if there is a way to hold one of these I'm with Coco rallies during the Olympics.

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Oh because he's made the cable channels good, but he shouldn't get to stay because of that. The guys at Fox, ABC, and CBS have done that but also managed to find the time to make the major network work, so why does Zucker get the break?

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Exactly, I'm still trying to figure out why Jeff Zucker still has his job..

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Yeah, fuck him for not having the common decency to pass over a job he wanted (in 1992 that is, not now).
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Yeah, fuck him for not having the common decency to pass over a job he wanted (in 1992 that is, not now).

Jesus Christ, if you don't like Leno, that's fine, but this getting to the point of sycophancy.

That being said, yes, Jeff Zucker is a dumbass.

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However, Jay still wanted to host a talk show after he had already agreed to retire from Tonight

This isnt really Jay's fault, its NBC's poor decision making skills, I mean can you blame a guy for wanting to keep his job. Thats all Jay wanted.
Actually you can blame both for this, and here's why. Jay does about 160 stand up jobs a year (He was in Vancouver 2 Saturdays ago when this was all breaking out), he has no children to take care of (like Jimmy Kimmel said just cars), and has more money then he is ever going to touch. He should have had the common decency for Conan to just retire from the talk show circuit and focus on the stand up if he wanted to do something, but instead he decided to take this deal, which he, and NBC should have known would have undermined Conan's Tonight Show.

Also, this isn't the first time that Jay has done this. He did it back in 1992 when he was first given the Tonight Show. When Johnny Carson left, it was assumed that David Letterman, host of the Late Show on NBC would take over, but because Jay had been the fill in guy, NBC though it would be a better transition. David and Jay were friends, so he thought that Jay would have the common decency (see, I'm saying this again) to give it to Dave, but instead he didn't and it ruined there friendship.

Jay is guilty here because he did not have the common decency to just leave and let thing happen. That is why he is guilty.

But let's not forget here, the man who is as or more guilty than Jay, Jeff Zucker. Jeff was recently on the PBS Charlie Rose show, and tried to explain his decisions, and well, he makes himself look worse in my opinion. Watch it here. He tries to say how while Fox has shows like American Idol, and 24, ABC has Dancing with the Stars, and Lost, and CBS has really their whole lineup, NBC has The Office the only show that actually gets ratings, 30 Rock which proved this last week that it takes a huge ratings dip without the Office propping it up, and Saturday Night Live which though it gets bigger ratings due to the absence of MADtv (you will see a thread on this soon) hasn't been good in quality in years (I know what site I'm on, but we all know this to be true). He then tries to use Haiti as a scapegoat, uses DVR as an excuse for the problems with the Jay Leno show, says he thought Conan would except the 12:05 deal before he talked to him. He also says he's been getting death threats, which I think he just him taking that out of context to seem like "Hey, this is a problem, but I don't deserve death threats", or making them seem more serious than it is. Either way, this interview, and seeing everything that happened last night despite the weekend off is just making this whole thing one of the worst, and funniest TV events of all time. I guess if I can give Zucker credit for anything, it's that.

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This is complete bullshit! Jay is lying through his big jawed mouth to try and cover for what he really did. What he really did was take the 10:00 spot even though he knew it was going to fail, in order to undermine Conan so that he would fail giving himself the chance to usurp the thrown again. If there is any humanity in the world, no one will watch Jay when he comes back, because for what he did, and for what he has done, he deserves to be kicked off TV forever.
I hardly think that was Jay's plan. What happened is that Jay got screwed by NBC who wanted Conan to host the Tonight Show because he appealed to a younger demographic. And younger viewers means more advertisers will want to advertise in that time slot.

However, Jay still wanted to host a talk show after he had already agreed to retire from Tonight, but NBC was realy worried that he'd go to another network, becasue even though Jay doesnt bring in the younger viewers, he still had very good ratings- NBC didnt want to compete against that- especially if Jay wnet to FOX and had the same time slot as Conan and took away Conan's ratings- which is something he most likely wouldnt want to do anyway, but NBC wouldn't take that chance. So the best NBC could do was to offer him the 10 pm slot, in order to keep him on their network. And NBC probably offered Jay a lot of money to stay on their network, its an offer he couldnt refuse.

But the problem NBC didn't forsee, was that Jay would actually bring down the ratings of the late local news that followed his show. Which prompted the local affiliates to threaten to not broadcoast Jay's show on their stations. Plus Jay didnt help boost Conan's ratings, as they thought he would.

This isnt really Jay's fault, its NBC's poor decision making skills, I mean can you blame a guy for wanting to keep his job. Thats all Jay wanted.

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I read a transcript of it. It is a load of crap. How could they have been planning this for 5 years, but yet had him leave before his contract would have expired in December 2009, and it would have taken him until November 2010 before he could go anywhere else.

Here is just a quote from his speech that I find is so stupid.

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Okay, but I’m leaving before my contract is out. About six to eight months early. So before I could go anywhere else, I would be at least a year or 18 months before I could go and do a show somewhere else. I said to NBC, ‘would you release me from my contract.’ They said, ‘we want to keep you here.’ Okay. What are your ideas? They said, ‘how about primetime?’ I said, ‘that will never work.’ No, no, we want to put you on at 10:00. We have done focus groups. People will love you at 10:00. Look at these studies showing Jay’s chin at 10:00. People will go crazy. Didn’t seem like a good idea at the time. I said, ‘alright, can I keep my staff?’ There are 175 people that work here. I said, ‘can I keep my staff?’ Yes, you can. Let’s try it. We guarantee you two years on the air, guaranteed. Now for the first four or five months against original shows like “CSI” you’ll get killed, but in the spring and summer when the reruns come, that’s when you’ll pick up. Okay, great. I agree to that.
"We've done focus groups, people will love you at 10:00"?! "Look at these studies showing Jay’s chin at 10:00"?!. "People will go crazy"?!. Either Zucker (I assume it's Zucker) has brain problems, or he is truly the stupidest man alive.

But now, here's the part that really pisses me off.

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Conan has a story in the paper saying he doesn’t want to do that. They come back to me and they say if he decides to walk and doesn’t want to do it, do you want the show back? I go, ‘yeah, I’ll take the show back. If that’s what he wants to do. This way, we keep our people working, fine.
So he'll screw over Conan's people, some of which had moved out to LA after living in New York for all their lives, only to move out here for this show, just to save his own people who would have a lot less to lose seeing as the Tonight Show is filmed in Los Angeles. Very nice Jay.

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Conan O’Brien has been a gentleman. He’s a good guy. I have no animosity towards him. This is all business. If you don’t get the ratings, they take you off the air. I think you know this town, you can do almost anything. You get ratings they keep you. I don’t get ratings, he wants. That was NBC’s solution. It didn’t work so we might have an answer for you tomorrow. So, we’ll see. That’s basically where it is.
This is complete bullshit! Jay is lying through his big jawed mouth to try and cover for what he really did. What he really did was take the 10:00 spot even though he knew it was going to fail, in order to undermine Conan so that he would fail giving himself the chance to usurp the thrown again. If there is any humanity in the world, no one will watch Jay when he comes back, because for what he did, and for what he has done, he deserves to be kicked off TV forever.

I haven't seen all the late night stuff, as I fell asleep a little early tonight, but I'm definitely going to look for all the stuff I missed, because this just proves that even a weekend off can't stop this meltdown.

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God why won't he just get the fuck off already. TV executives are the most tasteless individuals on the planet. They have no concept of going out on top.

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Did anyone else see Leno's take on the whole thing? He is so full of crap. He said that he wanted to leave the Tonight Show after he falls to number two, which is completely different than what he was saying during the Tonight Show when he said that he wanted to leave while he was still on top.

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