Terminator: The Summer Glau Chronicles

[NemesisDesign]

LOL, Cameron always has something completely inappropriate to say at some point during an episode.

Cameron - "There's something alive up there [in the chimney]"
Sarah - "Is it something that can hurt us?"
Cameron - "It's a bird, I'll kill it before it flies away "
Sarah - "No "
Cameron - "Maybe later? "
Sarah - "Maybe never"
Cameron - " ...c*nt" (slight paraphrase)

[blackwind]

Originally Posted by Thomas Dekker (John Connor)

Has there been any talk of continuing the story in a different form, a comic book perhaps?
They've spoken about doing a TV movie. Well, not a TV movie, but kind of like a direct-to-DVD movie [Think: BATTLESTAR GALACTICA's THE PLAN]. Obviously it's difficult because the show is based on a movie and they just had one come out, so it's kind of hard to make a movie with our show because everyone has kind of forgotten about us. But they're hoping, at least when I spoke to [Producer] James Middleton that's where they are with it.

SQUEE!

When did you find out that TERMINATOR had been officially terminated?
Obviously we'd seen the ratings and we had an inkling about it. But it was tricky, because the show was so popular overseas. In the end, it really came down to DOLLHOUSE or us and that was sort of what happened. I think we were too expensive and DOLLHOUSE was a lot cheaper.

I hate to beat a dead horse, but it bears repeating: Fuck you, Joss Whedon.

[MADfan2004]

Yeah, fuck Joss Whedon for making a show that's (relatively) cheap to produce in a time where money is sparse. That bastard!

[blackwind]

I couldn't agree more!

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Shuffled some posts over to Random Thoughts to keep things on track here. My bad. He just grinds my gears so much!

[NemesisDesign]

I lol'd at s02e06 when it was implied that Cameron is an Aspie. She's got social awkwardness and retard strength. I think we can conclude from this that all Aspies are actually reprogrammed robots from the future

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[NemesisDesign]

LOL. I just finished S02E16. This show sure is getting... X-Filesy.

Also, was there any reason in the plot as to why Cameron randomly walked across the screen in her underwear or was that the way of the writers for apologizing for 3 episodes of Sarah bullshit?

[blackwind]

Cameron's ubersexuality and the effect it has on John is one of the many things weighing on Sarah's mind, and that scene occurs during the nightmare portion of the episode. Pretty shameless (and honestly, as ragingly flaming as it sounds, not the kind of thing I want to see), but it makes some degree of sense, so I've come to accept it.

Consider the Sarah/X-Filesy episodes an unfortunate (but mercifully, brief) diversion. From here on out, the show returns to its roots and begins firing on all cylinders. Watch E17-E19 back-to-back if possible. Amazing.

[NemesisDesign]

I've go today off, you best believe I'll do a 3 hour Glauathon.

Also I think that link you made is *really* tenuous. The writers played on the fact that John finds Cameron attractive for a whole of like 5 minutes in the first episode of the series I think. Ever since then I think John just assumed she has no vagina or some sort of dangerous robot vagina and has been all about Riley/being emo. That scene was the only other time I can remember John noticing Cameron from a physical perspective.

IMO, at this point Sarah is much more concerned about that douchebag Riley's impact on John. To me it seems like she sees Cameron as being on her side, except when it comes to killing small animals/sometimes humans.

[blackwind]

Lovingly brushing her hair aside after removing her chip, the look on his face when he sees her playing foosball as "Allison", the bedroom scene, Sarah's "I don't like how he responds to you" line from the same episode, his reaction to her in the very scene we're discussing, etc. He's conflicted, what with the attempt on his life and the fact that she's a cyborg and all, but his desire for her is well-established. As for Sarah, Riley may be the more immediate, pressing concern, but whether it's valid or not, this is absolutely something that's weighing on her mind.

[NemesisDesign]

I don't know how I managed to forget about all of those things but I'm still not convinced. I think Sarah is more suspicious of a friendship or trust that John has in Cameron rather than anything more than that. I like to think the whole thing with Cameron in bed was the writer's way of throwing the viewer for a bit of a loop but I just don't pick up the same vibe there as you do.

Also I'm on episode 19 now. Quig is a fucking badass.

[blackwind]

Originally Posted by NemesisDesign

I don't know how I managed to forget about all of those things but I'm still not convinced.

Well, those were just off the top of my head. One thing that I neglected to mention (and would've better served my case) is the S2 premiere. The plea. The hesitation. Sarah's response, both during the scene and throughout the season. Between that, the S1 premiere, and the other points I've raised, I'm calling this one game, set, and match. It's rarely overt, it's not central to the story, but there's no doubt in my mind that this *is*, nonetheless, a central theme.

I think Sarah is more suspicious of a friendship or trust that John has in Cameron rather than anything more than that.

And that trust is further compounded if he develops feelings for her as he appears to be doing, and Sarah is pushed even further out of the loop and becomes less and less the person he turns to and depends on. As a mother alone, she needs him to need her; throw in his status as the future savior of mankind, and all of a sudden, his potential loss of focus (schwing!), his liability to make decisions with his heart instead of his head (which nearly led to his demise in the premiere), and her loosening grip on his fate become that much more vexing. Cameron herself addresses this in E18, among other episodes. Beyond that, she's proven time and time again that she'll do whatever it takes to produce the results she requires, so long as it doesn't cost John his life. That's a threat to Sarah, and she knows it; hence, the nightmare.

But, I'm just speculating now. Go your own way if you must, but know that the two of them constantly discuss this in interviews, and I think they'd be the authorities on the matter. If you still don't believe me, I'm confident a night of YouTubing will change your mind.

Anyway, be sure to post your thoughts on the trilogy when you're done.

[NemesisDesign]

Meh, maybe I'm just refusing to see it because I don't want it to be this way. If you figure that a male terminator was sent back in time to protect John, I wonder how different it would be. It would just kind of irk me if John's decisions could be significantly altered because the robot sent to protect him just happens to have a pretty face and lovely brown hair, and a small yet shapely a... what was I talking about? Oh yes, it would seem sort of crass to me that so much could hinge on the physical form Cameron takes.

BTW, the gulf between John and Sarah might have also have to do with Sarah passing (perhaps a bit too seamlessly) between batshit crazy and regular Sarah crazy. The insomnia episode and the flashback/bullet wound episodes were practically standalone and left almost no mark on how Sarah was perceived by the family afterwards.

I finished the trilogy a few hours ago. I'd say they were probably among the 3 best episodes so far. The flashbacks (or forwards) were much more meaningful than they typically are. The tense scene in the garage between Cameron and Riley was just plain awesome and the... resolution of that problem was sorely needed. Also I think I'm kind of glad Derek's chick is gone. Her "tough chick' walk and strange lip contortions were approaching Riley levels of annoyance.

[blackwind]

Originally Posted by NemesisDesign

Meh, maybe I'm just refusing to see it because I don't want it to be this way.

For what it's worth, I'm right there with you (although, probably for different reasons), but it *is* an interesting dynamic. Definite food for thought. I had quite the chuckle at that robo-marriage article MADfan posted a few years back, but suddenly, I'm starting to see the case for it. As Weaver so shrewdly points out, humans will disappoint you. Goodness knows that's been the story of my life to date.

[And, you know, it doesn't hurt that they'll one day come in such tasty packaging. ]

Oh yes, it would seem sort of crass to me that so much could hinge on the physical form Cameron takes.

Yes. Imagine one's attitudes and actions being determined by such superficial means. I'm telling you, it's enough to make me SICK!

BTW, the gulf between John and Sarah might have also have to do with Sarah passing (perhaps a bit too seamlessly) between batshit crazy and regular Sarah crazy. The insomnia episode and the flashback/bullet wound episodes were practically standalone and left almost no mark on how Sarah was perceived by the family afterwards.

But the sleep clinic jazz was the nightmare. In the four offending episodes, she finally finds a potentially legitimate link to Skynet, gets shot, talks to her invisible friend only in the presence of the doctor, goes to a funeral, gets kidnapped (which... is distracting ), and escapes. I'm not sure that warrants a change in perception.

I finished the trilogy a few hours ago. I'd say they were probably among the 3 best episodes so far. The flashbacks (or forwards) were much more meaningful than they typically are. The tense scene in the garage between Cameron and Riley was just plain awesome and the... resolution of that problem was sorely needed. Also I think I'm kind of glad Derek's chick is gone. Her "tough chick' walk and strange lip contortions were approaching Riley levels of annoyance.

*shakes fist for several hours*

Agreed 100%. I also loved seeing John finally shed his pussy and become a man. I also loved seeing Riley... resolved. I also loved John Henry's latest interactions. I also loved the aforementioned Cam and Weaver quotes. I also loved Stephanie's final performance as Jesse, as much as that pains me to admit. I also loved "the plan" and that I didn't see it coming. I also love that, when this show builds to something, there's a payoff. Lost.

By the way, another thing you may have overlooked that I can now point out: When John's about to break down, he turns to Cam first, gets the cold, unknowing robo-shoulder, and only then collapses on Sarah's lap. Subtle, but it's there.

[blackwind]

Originally Posted by Access Hollywood

NEW YORK, NY -- This summer, Bravo’s Television Without Pity asked TV junkies to cast their votes for the best, worst, most improved and just plain craziest characters, series, moments and more from the 2008-2009 season. And after a record-breaking 2.4 million votes were cast, the results can finally be revealed!

The biggest winner was FOX’s now-canceled science-fiction drama “Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles,” which took home a whopping 16 Tubey Awards, including Best Drama, Favorite Actress (Summer Glau), Best Season Finale, and, not surprisingly, Most Underrated Show and Most Painful Series Cancellation.

Sounds about right.

[NemesisDesign]

Listen, I'm sure Fox has a lot less expensive shows that they must produce. We need at least 2 more cop dramas per season, a handful of reality shows and some game shows (because motherfuck paying a room full of writers, that's why).

[blackwind]

And let's not forget the extra three medical dramas per season now that House has blown up. It's important that we see the exact same shows and storylines every day of the week on every network, except, with a sassy *female* doctor instead, or perhaps a sassy Hispanic district attorney with a clubfoot. Keepin' it fresh in the '09!

[NemesisDesign]

¡Mira, mira! If you don't get those case files to me ahora, I'll break my club foot off in your culo, papi.

[blackwind]

See? It practically writes itself!